Tuesday, October 11, 2011

Smuggled U.S. Ammo Feeds Drug Wars

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2011-10-09/ammo-us-mexico/50707742/1?csp=34news

Uneka K., Jamie M., Marvin S., Jayce W., Matthew E., Bradley G., Amanda G., Mariah R.

14 comments:

  1. Hi! Hi! I am Amanda from Mrs. McCoy Monday and Wednesday class. I am majoring in Biology then on to Pharmacy. I read over this article and my respond was insentient. Smuggling * RELLLY!* who didn’t see this happening. A another problem with the drug cartel that also messes with the US and the rights of the US citizens. Smuggling ammo because the cartel can’t get in Mexico, one this is going stir up the anti-gun activist in US, then the pro-gun activist. Smuggling is just going to cause more problems in the US then just that we fueling the cartel but somehow I think I rights are going to be messed with the smuggling of Ammo. Anyone else see our rights to bare arm’s going to be messed with this smuggling of ammo. Seeing how well the US is handling the trafficking of drugs from the article about drug cartel, I don’t think they are going to be doing any better with this problem.
    Amanda G

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  2. Hello group, this is Matthew E.

    I am a first year student at Indiana University southeast. I plan on transferring to Indiana University
    Bloomington and majoring in political science. In high school I wrote a paper on the Mexican drug cartel so I know something about it. I find it very disturbing that a lot of Mexico’s arms and ammunition comes from the US. I think that our government should put a blockade on Mexico like President John F. Kennedy did to Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis. This Blockade would help keep the drug dealers out of the US as well as keep arms and ammunition out of Mexico which would strangle the top drug traders. Also I think that the US should send military forces into Mexico to help keep the drug dealers at bay. Also sending troops into Mexico might lower the crime rate and cause some of the gangs to go bankrupt.- Matthew E.

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  3. Hello Group,I am Bradley G. I am an Accounting major and in Erin McCoy’s Monday/Wednesday W130 class. This article talks a lot about the issue with ammunition being smuggled across the border from the U.S. to Mexico. It seems like the government hasn’t tried to put many limitations on what you can and can’t buy when it comes to rounds. In the article it says, “In Congress, no recent bills have been introduced related to ammunition, according to Open Congress, a nonpartisan, non-profit group that tracks legislation.” If the U.S. knows that we have millions of rounds going across the border, why do they not act on what is happening now? It talked about some people purchasing hundreds of thousands of rounds. I think there should be a limit on certain ammunition and the amount you are allowed to purchase. What is your opinion on making it illegal for you to buy ammunition unless you have some sort of background check done by the U.S. government? What is your opinion on purchasing ammunition online? I do not think you should be allowed to purchase ammo online. This makes it very easy for it to fall into the hands of the wrong person and hard to track since they are most likely not using their real name or address.--Bradley G.

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  4. Hello Group,I am Bradley G. I am an Accounting major and in Erin McCoy’s Monday/Wednesday W130 class. This article talks a lot about the issue with ammunition being smuggled across the border from the U.S. to Mexico. It seems like the government hasn’t tried to put many limitations on what you can and can’t buy when it comes to rounds. In the article it says, “In Congress, no recent bills have been introduced related to ammunition, according to Open Congress, a nonpartisan, non-profit group that tracks legislation.” If the U.S. knows that we have millions of rounds going across the border, why do they not act on what is happening now? It talked about some people purchasing hundreds of thousands of rounds. I think there should be a limit on certain ammunition and the amount you are allowed to purchase. What is your opinion on making it illegal for you to buy ammunition unless you have some sort of background check done by the U.S. government? What is your opinion on purchasing ammunition online? I do not think you should be allowed to purchase ammo online. This makes it very easy for it to fall into the hands of the wrong person and hard to track since they are most likely not using their real name or address.--Bradley G.

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  5. Hello Group, my name is Delaney from Ms. McCoy’s Tuesday/Thursday class. I can’t believe how easy it is to smuggle ammunition from the US to Mexico; so many lives are being lost to unnecessary drug violence and there isn’t anything being done to slow down or stop the crime. I personally believe Border Patrol and Customs are more worried about drugs being smuggled in that they aren’t focusing on the much broader issue of ammunition smuggling which helps fuel the killings. More action needs to be taken to stop the leniency of how ammunition can be bought in states in the US that are cloer to Mexican borders, and throughout the US period. Hopefully if there are more laws in the US, it will slow down on the ammunition being smuggled in and will stop or at least halt some of the killings.

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  6. Hello group!
    I am Jacye and I go to Jefferson Comm. and Tech. College I am a biology major until I change that here soon. This article “How the Cartels Work” is really the first thing I have read on this topic. I did see a commercial for a new show on A&E called “Bordertown: LAREDO”. It is on this topic showing how the law is trying to stop the drugs getting in through Texas from Mexico. It starts tonight at 10pm if anyone is interested? I just read the article “Smuggled U.S. ammo feeds drug wars”. We obviously cant change the laws of Mexico, but we can change a lot of things in the US. What would we start with to end the transporting of ammunition to Mexico? With most solutions sprouts other problems either reguarding money or rights. So what to start with to lower this rate of transported ammo?

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  7. This is Marivn Sweat from Mccosys class. TR, 415
    First of all, there's no way they can predict every way that the trrancsactrions are done. If that were the case, nobody could get away with it. The big issues is cointrolling guns and keeoping them out of the wrong hands, if you have a gun, then dammit, the government wants to know that you have it, otherwise anyone could have a gun. We do need gun relegulations but they need to be different than they are.The government is eventually going to decide who can and cant have a gun. the government that is supposed to serve us. but we serve them. funny how democracy rhymes with hypocrisy, huh?

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  8. Hello Group, my name is Beatriz M.
    I am currently in the decision of majoring in as a PTA (Physical Theraphy Assistant). I am hispanic, to be exact with Mexican roots, so in a way I can relate to this issues with drug cartels in mexico. I don’t know to much on the topic, but the little I know worries me deeply. The safety in mexico is not in top shape. The police officials in mexico havent really ever been known for being the best or the most honest. Corruptsy and police officers have always had a connection as far as I can remember. So, now with this whole drug cartels and narcotraficanes deal, its all going down hill at a faster pace.
    As the article pointed out, the only place that sells ammunition in the country is located at the heart of it, and it only offers to officials. So the closest resource for cartels to get their needs is by the means of their neighboring country, the US. Smuggling was sort of expected. But the good thing is that border protection is taking action upon it. Making it hard for smugglers to do their part in this drug war. What I hope for is that this whole things doesn’t go much further.

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  9. Hi My Uneka K from Ms.Mccoy's class. This article was very intresting to me. When I though about mexico I pictured this proverty bound state with epidemic diseases hiding in its creases like the bird flu. But come to find out mexico got more drama then or own Mr. Jerry Springer. I mean I thought smuggling drugs was bad but Mexico got weapons of citizen destruction. The article read that the casualties was in the 40,000's. I wonder if all those was rich bad man that was trying to got out like the infamous scarface or little poor kids with run down shoes on the way to the store with a few dollars tryin got buy a live chicken for dinner. Poor citizens i thought it was hard raising kids in th U.S with the hardcore games and the terrible influential music. I mean but those parents are living it. In my personal opinion the united states goverment is to blame as well I mean the goverment wont even pass any laws to keep the gun sales at bay. I mean the bill to monitor and record any sales of heavy artiliary didnt even make it pass commitee/conference. But if you think about it this situatuion is a win-win for our goverment or plentiful endless gun supply for their endless sea of drugs. I can see our agents sitting back doing a line of mexicos finest coke while theres thousands of lives being lost at no cost to us guns is like or trade mark. But if you think deeper into our country's history where as jealous country so if all the rich drug dealers kill eachother off. Whos left to be the worlds drug pusher. Why is america over in pakastane countrys wen theres chaos in or own back yard

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  10. This is an interesting conversation ya'll are having! To begin, it's clear that all of you see the issue of ammunition smuggling to be a problem, and to answer Uneka's question - the drug war in Mexico has taken the lives of both the young and old, innocent and guilty. Uneka, as well as the rest of you, all implied that tracking guns and ammunition is important, but how it is being done is the problem. It's important to remember that this article is centered around Arizona, a state with some of the most lenient gun laws (which were hotly debated when Senator Giffords, along with several innocent bystanders, was shot in a supermarket "town hall" meeting in AZ) in the United States. Beatriz mentioned, accurately, that letting corruption in Mexican government offices continue is unacceptable, and Delaney and Jayce also remarked on the need to change the Mexican-American relationship in regard to crime. Matthew proposed making a Cuban-like blockade against Mexico, but it might not work, as we're very attached to them economically. Amanda rightly pointed out, as did Marvin, that regulation of ammunition will lead to a certain amount of chaos.

    Bradley, however, hit a key part of the issue that might be worth a closer look; exactly what are we shipping and selling to Mexico in terms of ammunition? The article mentions a particular instance when a suspected cartel ammo supplier was being observed by the FTA in Arizona. They were watching the house because it was getting a lot of heavy packages from an ammunitions company, and "the packages contained 4,000 rounds of .223 ammunition typically used in military AR-15 assault rifles, and 10,000 rounds of 7.62x39 mm ammunition, which is used in the AK-47 type assault rifles favored by drug cartels."

    What I'd like to point out - how does an order like this not send a red flag to the ammunitions dealer? How many people - and, since we're on the subject, why does ANYONE - really need an AK-47 or a *military* weapon like an AR-15? We require that guns be registered in the United States - wouldn't a database be available to see if a man at X address in AZ even had an AK-47 to use? It seems we should regulate the amount of ammunition in some way - perhaps we could only regulate it to those who had a registered weapon? Is that unfair? I mean, if you really wanted to buy someone bullets as a gift or something, there are gift certificiates; is it unfair to do something like that? What might be interesting for your group to look into is what AZ has done in terms of securing its borders. The state did propose a law that would allow police to stop anyone who "looked illegal" and ask them for ID, but that infringes on people's civil liberties and right to privacy as much as regulating ammunition sales, and doesn't necessarily secure the borders. What have other countries done to regulate arms-sales? How has the US tried to do it so far, and what has been successful?

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  11. Hello Group, I am Bradley G. I am an Accounting major and in Erin McCoy’s Monday/Wednesday W130 class. I can understand why some people might have those types of weapons. AR-15’s can be used to hunt with in certain states and AK-47’s are cheap to buy, which makes people pass up the more expensive guns and choose the ones that are fun to shoot and are cheap. I can directly relate to this since I was in the military. Those types of weapons are fun to have and once you’ve owned one or been “assigned” one for any length of time, going back to a 12 gauge pump shotgun isn’t the same. Do I believe regular civilians who have never been trained on those weapons should have one? No, many people do not understand what they are dealing with. In the wrong hands, those weapons could hurt the owner or someone else very seriously. Most states require you to register guns, but in Indiana you do not have to. I own several rifles and pistols, but none are registered. I contacted the State Police about it and they told me you didn’t have to register them. Maybe that’s different for an AK-47 or AR-15? I agree on only selling that type of ammunition to people who have their weapon registered. This would cut way down on illegal transportation of ammunition and would help the government seek out those who are trying to get the ammunition without a license. As far as being able to pull people over who “looked illegal”, I think that’s a great idea. When I was on deployments to Afghanistan and Iraq, this is what we did. If someone looked suspicious or you thought they were up to no good, you detained them. Better to know they are an okay person than to let them walk and hurt others.

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  12. Hi group, It’s Amanda one of the things I want to address is to Delaney and Marivn, I believe that your views that we going to have to change laws and then later the government is going to take that right way from us. I don’t think so with the amount of support the NRA has I don’t believe that going to happen. People will stand up with their gun rights are messed with but what I wonder about why don’t the government use a one computer data base that you have to register every gun ever made with who owns it and who sales it. The gun itself is registered before it even leaves the factory. The more I read about this the more I am disgusted with our government they all have their head up their asses.
    I just read
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/14/fast-and-furious-bush-administration_n_1011305.html?ref=mexico-drug-wars

    *face palms* We have dumb people in office that don’t know how to work this problem out. We never going to stop this problem with the people in power as it is, so I going to sit back with my popcorn and watch the government crash and burn with this problem.

    Thanks Amanda

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  13. Hello group, This is Matthew E. from Ms. McCoy’s Monday and Wednesday class at IUS. To answer Brad’s question, I think that guns and ammunition should be only purchased from stores not from online sellers. I think that the government should track purchases of guns to see if some of the people buying them are illegal aliens from Mexico. Maybe the government should make owning Ac-47s and weapons like it illegal to buy in the US.
    http://www.9news.com/news/article/227246/207/Border-Battle-Mexican-drug-cartels-operating-in-Colo
    I think this link is really interesting because it talks about how the drug cartels have been working out of Colorado which is far from the border. This article also raises concerns that maybe the cartels are deeper into the north east part of the US. In the article it is revealed that the same cartel is causing many problems in border towns like Al Paso Texas. I wonder how the drug cartels could get that much illegal drugs across the border without anyone knowing about it. I think maybe the cartels are paying the border patrol money to keep them from getting arrested.- Matthew E.

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  14. Hello group! Jacye here, ill start off by posting a link to the bordertown loredo page which is the show that also has to do with the mexican drug cartels. http://www.google.com/imgres?q=bordertown+laredo&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1280&bih=831&tbm=isch&tbnid=f79pezbdfhxfBM:&imgrefurl=http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/bordertown-laredo-tv-review-246310&docid=XJqpZRx_f0GXwM&imgurl=http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/2011/10/bordertown.jpg&w=648&h=365&ei=mwazTojPLNPptgfqu6zPAw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=531&vpy=534&dur=1054&hovh=168&hovw=299&tx=163&ty=80&sig=103416466753510386042&page=1&tbnh=116&tbnw=206&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:17,s:0
    Matthew E, the fact you pointed out the problems further north is interesting because the main focus is based in texas or any of the southern states. Looking north is a great idea I think because focusing on one point leaves everything else open to whatever. Then Amanda, i agree the government may not know how to handle it fully but they are trying their best against some of the strongest poeple in the world, fore sure the most rich! I think we are on a great track to get this taken care of, i say we focus mainly on reducing the death rate due to the drug cartels but keep up the work on stopping them.

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